…or at least to the Speedies, who were in the New York Times this past Sunday, so maybe now it’s superfluous for me to write about them. Or maybe it means that I have to finish what I started writing about them before the laptop (have I mentioned I hate laptop keyboards? Let me mention it again) ate the entry. (Note to self: hit “save and continue” constantly. After I lost half a day’s work today—good work, the first bit of work at my new job that I was actually proud of, and was even planning to blog about—because Visio decided to crash right after I saved the file and then wouldn’t recover it, my mantra is going to be “Hit save every five seconds” for the rest of my life. But I digress.)
The Times article, like my lost post, focuses on the sudden revival of the song “Let Me Take Your Photograph” via a remixed version that’s being featured in an HP commercial. The article uses Gregory Crewdson, former Speedie and now famous photographer and Yale professor, as its focal point, which seems appropriate to me because in a way, he was my focal point for the band too. Back in my freshman year of college, I moved in with the two frontpeople of a semi-local band, Tina Peel (some of whom later went on to become the much better known Fuzztones); the female half of the couple, Deb O’Nair (real name Carol Krautheim), was a friend of a friend, and the apartment was on a great block in the East Village—this was 1979, and the East Village was barely starting to gentrify, but even then, this was a great block—and my share of the rent was $117/month. So it didn’t seem to matter that after four years of a really longass commute from my family’s apartment on the Upper West Side to my high school in the East Village, I was subjecting myself to almost the exact same commute in reverse, only a few stops longer, from the apartment in the East Village to college up in Morningside Heights, in upper Manhattan. (And adding a ten-minute-on-a-good-day walk to the subway to the mix, since we lived between Avenues A and B and the most logical subway stop to go to was way over on Eighth Street/Astor Place and Broadway. But I digress.) And for a while, till my roommates became totally insufferable, it was a great setup, because I was Miss Punk Rock then anyway, and it didn’t matter that I missed most of my 9 a.m. biology classes that first semester (a small problem since I was a bio major at the time) because I was staying out every night at Club 57 or my beloved Tier 3 or Hurrah or wherever, and even on nights when I stayed in, my roommates had to walk through my bedroom when they came in at 4 a.m. and open the squeaky door to their bedroom because it was a railroad flat. It didn’t matter; I was living exactly the life I’d wanted to lead for years.
Tina Peel’s manager was also one of the partners (owners? managers? I can’t remember anymore) of the great Upper West Side club Hurrah, so we were there all the time even when Tina Peel weren’t playing (that is, when I wasn’t hanging out with my high school friends at Tier 3, a club so brilliant that I can’t even describe it adequately), and partly because of my own connections (I wrote for New York Rocker, and I knew some people who knew some people, that was how it went then) and partly because of my roommates, I got to meet all sorts of bands, both touring ones (hanging out with Madness at Irving Plaza remains one of my fondest memories, though not quite as fond as my memory of hanging out with the Gang of Four on their very first US dates…but that’s really a story for another day) and local ones, including the Speedies.
Back then, the NYC teen punk scene had some really silly rivalries, none of which anyone took very seriously, but there they were. I was spending a lot of time with some little girls (I’m not being condescending there; in addition to being four years younger than me, they really were little–the tallest was 5’0″, I think) who didn’t actually go to my high school, or at least didn’t go there for long, but were vaguely affiliated with it—it was kind of a small scene, and everyone knew someone who went to my high school. I knew them through a guy named Allan Hart, who was one of maybe six or seven punks in my high school when I was still there. Anyway, these little girls and their crowd, the fringe of which I sometimes lurked on, were Stimulators fans. The Stimulators were a hardcore punk band, known mostly for their extraordinarily young (and rather talented) drummer, Harley Flanagan, who I think was about 12 at this time. He was what gave them their notoriety, but they were a good band regardless, and always fun to see live. (And in a weird confluence of eras of my musical life, they gave Soul Asylum their original name: the Stims’ slogan was “Loud Fast Rules,” and the Soul Asylum boys had no idea who the Stimulators were, but they saw the slogan on a photo of the back of someone’s jacket and liked it, in kind of a semi-ironic way, enough to call their band that before changing the name to Soul Asylum. But yet again, I digress.)
Anyway, if you liked the Stimulators, you weren’t supposed to like the much poppier and sweeter-sounding and “nicer” Speedies. There are those who were there then who will now deny that those rivalries existed, but trust me, they did; when I started becoming friends with the Speedies as people, I always had to make sure none of my Stims-fan friends saw me. To complicate matters further, the Speedies had a different sort of rivalry with a semi-local (half from NYC, half from the Westchester suburbs of Larchmont and Mamaroneck) band called the Student Teachers. I loved the Stims and got into them because I wanted to be in with that in crowd, but I purely adored the Student Teachers, who were smartypants but melodic, depressive but catchy, and totally irresistible. (Their guitar player, Philip Shelley, went on to go to Columbia at the same time that I did, and we were friends; he and a later-legendary guy named Ned Hayden, who didn’t go to Columbia (he went to Clark) but spent so much time there that he might as well have, wrote some truly amazing songs together.) Gosh I loved the Teachers. And if you were a Teachers fan, you were really supposed to hate the Speedies.
It wasn’t actually that hard to hate the Speedies, because despite having a good ear for melody (mostly courtesy of their bass player, John Carlucci) and some great guitar playing (thanks to Eric Hoffer and Greg—he was Greg then—Crewdson), they were incredibly annoying due to the insufferable mannerisms of their singer, John Marino. I can’t really imagine what it was like to be gay in high school in that era, and I know a lot of John’s campiness was defensive, but that still didn’t make him a good or even tolerable singer. The fact that he sang in a fake British accent half the time didn’t help; Joey Ramone could get away with that, but only Joey. (When I first heard the remix of “Let Me Take Your Photograph” in the HP ad, I thought it was not a remix but a cover, because John Marino redid the vocal, I guess, and he toned the Brit accent and the mannerisms way down.)
So I didn’t have any trouble maintaining allegiance to the Stims and the Teachers…except that John Carlucci was really good friends with my roommates from Tina Peel, Deb and Rudi. He still lived with his parents in Queens back then, so he stayed at our apartment a lot when he didn’t want to make the trek back to Queens, and even when the two bands weren’t sharing a bill, he’d often come over just to hang out. I had a sort of vague, half-hearted crush on him; he was incredibly cute, so I knew he was way out of my league (even back then, when I had a great body and lots of style), but he was so adorable that it seemed almost silly not to have at least a little crush on him. He was also a sweetie, not the brightest guy on the planet, but good-hearted and lots of fun to be around. And through him, and through Tina Peel and the Speedies playing an increasing number of shows together, I got to know the rest of the band (except for John Marino—he never seemed to register my existence, which was fine with me). I honestly don’t remember Alan, the drummer, very well at all, except that he was a nice guy. I remember that Eric was a sweetie, and even then, his academic brilliance was obvious; when I read that he had gone on to work at Apple (and Sun Microsystems, I think) and was one of the developers of QuickTime, I wasn’t even faintly surprised. Eric was quiet and a little shy and tended to huddle quietly in the corner with his girlfriend, whom he’d been with forever, but I still considered him kind of a friend.
But it was Greg who was really my pal. Greg had a girlfriend too in those days, and I don’t think we were ever interested in each other romantically even on a theoretical basis; at any rate, there was a sort of tacit agreement between us that we were friends and nothing more. But we were sure good friends; he was one of those people you sometimes meet and instantly feel like you’ve known forever. All those memories are kind of hazy now, but I remember that as soon as I walked into the backstage area of whatever club they were all playing, he and I would gravitate toward each other and just talk and talk and talk. “Soulmate” would be way, way too strong a word, because we didn’t spend that much time together and it wasn’t that intense, but he was someone who I just clicked with, in that magical way that doesn’t happen all that often.
None of it lasted all that long. Roommate Rudi (real name: Glenn Dalpis) was truly hideous to live with—he was 26 then, the same age as my oldest brother, and he had the maturity level of a particularly immature 12-year-old—and ultimately, I fell out with them and moved back home for a while. After that, I didn’t go to Speedies gigs much, and eventually I stopped going at all. I’d still see John Carlucci (who was always friendly to me) from time to time at shows, but somehow I rarely ran into the other guys. I moved farther uptown, closer to school, made friends there and started paying more attention to Britpunk than to the local scene, and so Eric and Greg, my favorite Speedies, just sort of slipped out of my world and eventually out of my memory; it wasn’t until a number of years later, when I started to see Greg (who was by then Gregory) written up in the Village Voice or even The New Yorker, that my fond memories came back to me. I was overjoyed for him that he’d become a success, and I went to see some of his exhibits and was very impressed, but not surprised; he wasn’t quite the conspicuous genius that Eric was, but he was smart as hell himself, and gifted, and I was always glad to see him do so well. I’d be truly surprised if he remembered me at all anymore, but I remember him, with great fondness and good feeling.
But now they’re back, those Speedies, on my TV screen on a regular basis (they played the hell out of the HP ad during the US Open). Not that long ago, I finally managed to find an MP3 of a really wretched quality live recording of my favorite Student Teachers song, “Christmas Weather” (I had the single, bought it when it came out, but it’s long since disappeared, on a site that Teachers’ lead singer and frontguy David Scharff set up, and that was a thrill too. A better musical thrill, I might add—the Teachers are still a better band. Old rivalries die hard, I guess. And those old memories, vaguer and vaguer all the time now, are all good ones, so even though every single one of the Speedies seems to have done just fine (better than fine, really) in their post-punk-teen life, I hope they’re making some big money off that ad. In my heart, if not necessarily in my ears, they deserve every penny.
Hi Amy, Carlucci Here.Thanks for all the kind words. You’ve brought back some memories to me as well. There was definitely a rivalry between the Student Teachers & The Speedies. It was deeper than most people ralized at the time. I went to High School with Joe Katz, The Teachers guitar player. We were even in a few bands together before either the Teachers or Speedies existed. So that created some of the competition, but the real root of the rivalry has nothing to do with music. I genuinely liked Joe. We had a mutual friend named Billy. Billy and I had a big falling out when he became involved with my girlfriend Michelle. Michelle left me for Billy and I was devestated (I wrote the words of No Substitute about the whole ordeal) anyway, Joe remained in their circle of friends, not mine. We’ve barely spoken since. Which is a shame, since I really do like the guy. I tried to e-mail him, even recently & he never writes back.
You were spot on about Rudi though. I ended up in the Fuzztones and toured Europe with him a bunch of times, he still has not matured past a 12 year old level. He falls out with everybody. Boy do I have stories!
We did not re-do John’s vocals for the HP commercial. I did the mixes myself. The only adjustment to vocals on Photo were to put them through a harmonizer to fatten them up a bit. We did quite a bit of work eq’ing the drums and bass guitar, so they do not sound so thin. Again, I’m sincerly flattered about all the nice stuff you said about me. I was not really unapproachable,or out of anyone’s leauge, I was nursing a broken heart so I became a social butterfly and kept myself busy by having lots of girlfriends that I never got too close too. It helped. Those were some fun times. It’s amazing that there’s been a resurgence because of the commercial. It’s pretty cool. I’ve been in a million bands over the years. But I always loved the Speedies.
Later- John Carlucci, aka John Carl, aka Speediejohn
Amy
Your comments warmed my heart.
I’m glad you’re still a fan of the Student Teachers and I’m glad I was able to provide you with a shadowy fragment of the past. All of our old studio masters, some wretched (but remastered) live recordings AND a rare live video of a set of ours at Hurrah will soon (keep fingers crossed) be available on a Student Teachers CD/DVD which I’m currently shopping (all serious offers considered!)
Did I knew you back then? You sound so close to home…Let me know
Best
David Scharff
ex-singer The Student Teachers
Wow, this is getting even weirder. John, I’m blushing seven shades of scarlet at the idea that you read that post…though it was probably pretty obvious at the time that I had a crush on you (assuming you remember me at all). And thanks for reminding me of my favorite Speedies song, “No Substitute.” That song was so good that I even liked John’s vocals on it.
From the sound of things, you’ve done very well for yourself since the Speedies days, and that makes me happy. I have this thing about people I was friendly with in earlier phases of my life and then lost track of (rather than falling out with them): I always wish them well when I think of them, and I hope that if I ever cross their minds, they do the same for me, and so it’s this sort of quiet but still real little circle of well-wishers that you end up with. That sounds like some weird sort of pseudo-spirituality, but it comforts me to believe in it. My memories from those days are almost entirely happy ones, so even if it was weird to have them brought up via an HP commercial, it wasn’t weird in a bad way at all.
David, I’m pretty sure I met you once or twice (and Laura too, I think), but mostly I was just an audience member. It wasn’t till a little later that I became friends with Phil Shelley. The whole Larchmont/Mamaroneck set were friends of mine in college, and Philip was part of that group (as was Ned Hayden, and Jim Lewis, another guy who didn’t actually go to Columbia but spent so much time there that it seemed like he did).
(Philip and I were very close for a while, though again, who knows if he’d remember me. I’m always surprised at who remembers whom from back in those days. I’ve run into people from that time who remembered exactly who I was and how we knew each other, and I’ve also encountered people who claim to have no recollection at all of my existence, even if I remind them of specific episodes from our shared past. I used to be one of those people who remembered absolutely everyone, to an almost embarrassing degree, and it would bug me when people couldn’t remember who I was. Somewhere in my thirties, though, I turned into one of those people who can’t remember anyone, so I’m much more sympathetic to the non-rememberers these days, and I never get offended if someone I haven’t seen in decades doesn’t remember that we ever knew each other.)
I’m very excited to hear that there will actually be Student Teachers material available again at some point. Somewhere in my many moves around the country, I lost my treasured copy of the “Christmas Weather”/”Channel 13″ single, and I’ve never been able to replace it, to my extreme regret. I’d pay big bucks for a Teachers CD/DVD, that’s for sure. My music industry contacts are a lot more limited than they used to be, but if you’re looking for backers, I’d be happy to ask around, at least…
It’s weird, isn’t it, that all that stuff was so long ago. Sometimes I still feel like a teenage punk rocker wandering around the East Village and spending my nights at the clubs. Not in any sort of misguided fantasy sort of way—I just carry that part of my past with me kind of vividly, more than some other eras of my life.
Amy! What are you up to??? Jesus fuck. I check out David’s site once in a while and went there today specifically because I just heard the Speedies on TV. (Sounding great, by the way.) And that visit led me here which is wild because I seem to have walked into the middle of this mind-blowing conversation! This brings back so many lovely drunken blurry memories…I can’t even begin to describe. Downtown and UPtown. For the record, I always secretly liked the Speedies, though John’s quite right in saying the rivalry was real. But I always thought it was in a healthy spirit — never mean or based on bad blood. (I had no idea about the story behind “No Substitute.”) And we also helped each other out from time to time and I remember fondly the last Student Teachers show ever, a bit of a reunion at Hurrah’s doubling on the bill with the Speedies with genuine cameraderie. I could be totally wrong, of course — heh-heh. (My memory is much better now.) Glad everyone seems to be doing so well.
Cheers,
Philip
Wow, the plot thickens. It’s indescribably cool to hear from you, Philip. I’ve pretty much totally lost touch with almost everyone from my Barnard/Columbia days, to my regret. (That’s what happens when you become a Midwesterner, I guess. Someday I’ll be a New Yorker again…)
I have fond memories of that Speedies/Student Teachers show at Hurrah, now that you mention it. (Though I think I’d forgotten that I had those memories till just now!)
I’m completely fascinated by how this conversation is developing, and wondering who I’m going to hear from next. And hey, if the Speedies/Teachers rivalry is permanently put to rest here, that will be a better contribution to the world than I’ve made in, I dunno, ever.
Anyway, how very lovely to hear from you. If you’re still in touch with any of the old Larchmont-Columbia crew, tell ‘em I said hi.
Ok…another salvo. I’m from both the Larchmont and Columbia crew. I began attending Columbia right after the Teachers broke up and I was at a number of parties that Philip was at with his Columbia crowd. From what I recall Philip was the local muse to many…whereas I became a little bit more of a lone wolf, trodding the grounds of the Morningside campus in my no-longer-appropriate dipped-in-leather look. I remember one of our downtown friends telling Philip that there was some guy prowling around Columbia who looked like he was trying to be a Student Teacher…only it turned out it was me. It’s good to see Philip here. The fact that everyone is perking up and writing things cracks me up and makes me glad. Amy, bring on whatever industry friends you might have…I’m taking meetings!
Lastly, about the rivalry…I do recall some healthy competitive spirit, but I also remember there being a strong sense of camraderie and even a healthy dose of affection for each other. From what I recall the Speedies even covered one of our songs (was it the oft-lauded “Looks” that Mike Doughty now covers?) after we broke up.
So who knows about rivalries…I thought the Speedies were cute, maybe they thought I was insufferable. Apparently I was at times, but what drunken teenage punk rock devoteee wasn’t? Keep in touch…let me know if you have potential backers for the re-release. I’d love to follow in the Speedies footsteps this time, and get some nice big corporate megalith to license one of our songs of a 25th Anniversary re-release!
David
This is so much fun…who’d a thunk it?
David, I’ll absolutely ask the people I know for ideas on how to get a Student Teachers retrospective out there. I know a couple of people who know a couple of people, if nothing else. And since you and Philip are now both posting here, can a Teachers reunion be far behind?
I’m thinking that we must have met in those Columbia days somehow. The Larchmont people were among my closest friends—Gideon, Kieran Cassidy…too many more to name; my world was teeming with Larchmontites. And Jim Lewis, with whom I actually stayed in touch until relatively recently—he just kept turning up in my life, somehow. (Oddly, my brother and sister-in-law and their sons live there now, so I’ve still got a connection to the place.)
Philip was definitely right in the heart of the social scene that I was in too, which was known variously as the Pop Set or the Art Set, depending on who you were talking to and how derisive they were being. The core of that bunch was a year or two older than me, so I was never in the innermost inner circle, but those of us on the periphery formed our own little subset of a scene too. In retrospect, I suppose a lot of us were kind of insufferable, but at the time, it just seemed like a bunch of good people who liked to go to clubs a lot and spent the rest of their nonacademic lives in the Marlin. They were fun times, mostly; not everyone was in the best of mental health, so there was some bad craziness as well as good craziness. But most of my memories are happy ones, even though I personally was completely nuts in those days.
As for the rivalry…I think it existed more among the fans than between the bands. I remember getting a lot of that look from my friends when I started going to Speedies show regularly. It was always at least half in fun, though. I think maybe we wanted to feel like the mods vs. the rockers or something. Except that there were no mass fights on the beach at Brighton. Fortunately.
Amy:
I guess you’re the same Amy that did the write up for Tina Peel’s 1st (only?!) appearance in NY Rocker. I’ll scan that in and stick a link to it on the Student Teachers forum. Btw I’m the one who scanned in all those bits from NY Rocker on the site – it was hell…
I like Tina Peel, obviously not in the same league as ST’s, but if you like songs about microwaving poodles they are the band for you!
Please do, Oliver. I barely remember writing that piece, and I haven’t seen any of my New York Rocker clippings in eons, so I’d love to see it again.
They were a fun band, really. Living with Rudi and Deb kind of soured me on them (though some years later, after Rudi and Deb had broken up and Deb was back to being plain old Carol again, I briefly renewed my friendship with her), but before that, I was a fan. They were never going to be my favorite band, or probably anyone’s, but they were good fun nonetheless. (And they had a Farfisa! You can never go wrong with a Farfisa…well, hardly ever.)
Hello David, Phillip, Amy & Oliver,
Yes, The Speedies did cover a Teachers song that night when we played together as a gesture to end the rivalry and show that we did indeed like the Teachers & considered them peers.I think also, part of the rivalry came from our association with Clem of Blondie vs the Student Teachers association with Jimmy from Blondie. Their rivalries became ours. I ended up becoming friends with Jody & Lori, plus we shared Antone as a roadie! He and I are still friends to this day. (I introduced him to his wife Holly)
Oliver, I’d like to comment on Tina Peel, since I used to be friends with Rudi & eventually ended up in the Fuzztones. Don’t you find it kind of ironic that Rudi now calls himself an animal rights activist, but that he once wrote a song about putting a poodle in a microwave oven? But that aside, they were a fun band. I was studying photography then at SVA, and I took their band photos.